LDS Baptism: Get ‘em while young!

lds_baptismThe LDS Baptism has to be one of the best arguments for Joseph Smith being a true prophet of God, but it seems the Church has overlooked this ever so ingenious of rituals.

Allow me to explain:
One of the biggest claims by apologists for the validity of the Book of Mormon is that one Joseph Smith could not possibly have written such a complicated and descriptive narrative, full of details and intricate language, at the young age of 25 without divine assistance.
But Mormon history (the real history… not the stuff the Church pieced together over the years) clearly shows that it was not only possible, but a person of Smith’s character was actually required to pull off such an immoral stunt.

However, when ol’ Joe claimed he received a revelation that all children “shall be baptized for the remission of their sins when eight years old,” he hit one out of the ball park, in my opinion.
According to Smith’s revelation, we are all born innocent and children younger than 8 years of age cannot be held accountable for their sins since they do not possess the ability to discern right from wrong.

Children turning 8 are then, allegedly, given the choice to be baptized into the LDS Church and continue their spiritual journey as an official member.

At this age, children are also beginning to develop an understanding of their own self, analyzing relationships in terms of acceptance and seeking to gain confidence in all areas of their lives.
Peer pressure and parental expectations play a large role in this child’s search for their place in society and their own importance.

In most cases, the LDS baptism is viewed by these youngsters (both boys and girls) in the same light little girls dream of one day getting married.
The child is primed from a young age to look forward to the day they will officially be accepted into the fold, albeit under the deception of it being a choice they must make.

The appearance of free will, in this case, could not be further from the truth: for most LDS children, their baptism day comes as a highly expected and anticipated event in their lives; it is a bragging right, so to speak. A rite of passage which comes wrapped in gifts and flattery. It will be viewed by their younger peer as an achievement for which one cannot wait their own, and by their elders as a responsible and mature decision.

On the other hand, a child who is not much older than 8 may begin to see past the glimmering lights of childhood fantasy and instead be compelled to rebel against the establishment (a.k.a. the teens).

So 8 is indeed the perfect age. Whether Smith realized this or not, he created the perfect precedence for LDS baptisms. If he really gave the matter this much thought and research, he’s not all bad in my book, but chances are he stuck his head inside his… hat… and pulled out the first number that came to his mind.
Either way, LDS baptisms are unique in their significance and the lack of recognition of other Christian faith’s baptisms. Mormons don’t believe in original sin, so LDS baptisms play a big role in giving the person a new identity in the Church… a fresh start.

Now, I’ll leave you all with a question (especially those of you who have children):

If you love your children… truly love your children… and you fully believe in the Gospel and doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, then you must believe that your young, non-baptized, children are pure and innocent and free from sin.

As a loving parent myself, I know I would sacrifice anything for the sake of my own children, even my own life.
So I ask: why not kill your children before they reach the age of accountability?
Of course you would be doomed for eternity to never see them again (apparently), but would you not guarantee them their eternal glory, yea, even their exaltation?

(the above question is meant as a rhetorical question and is in no way a suggestion on how to save your children’s souls. I do not believe in souls or the afterlife, so the above has really no affect whatsoever in any eternal afterlife experience fantasy)

Gay Mormons: MUST READ!

Paul Sunstone over at Café Philos has posted a great parody on an article from the October 2007 Ensign (“Helping Those Who Struggle With Same Gender Attraction”).

I recommend you read the original article first for the full affect.

The parody is called “Helping Those With Mormon Interests” and I think it does a fine job in highlighting the Church’s condescending attitude towards homosexuals.

Speaking of LDS Scouting…

My wife and I had a quick discussion once about whether our boys should participate in the Boys Scouts of America program.
Although we didn’t quite come to any conclusions, the topic has got me thinking more and more about what it means to be a Boy Scout (especially in Utah) and how I feel about the whole thing.

My oldest boy is turning 6 at the end of the Month and all of his friends are active church-goers (notice I didn’t call them Mormons), so his social development will soon depend highly on his involvement in such enterprises.

For example, on the Sundays he doesn’t go to church, he’s basically stuck with me (which is not a bad thing for him, yet) since none of his friends aren’t available to go, say, bowling instead. I love our Sundays together (we usually go ice skating) but I know, as he grows up, he might feel more inclined to attend church in order to be more involved in his social circle.

The Cub/Boys Scouts program in Utah is generally considered an extension of the LDS child’s role in the church. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has a verifiable stronghold on the Boy Scouts of America through the highest numbers of membership and very aggressive fund raising.
They are the largest single sponsor of units (over 30,000) nation wide.

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At face value, there is nothing really wrong with that; the Church obviously feels that the Scouting program is in line with good moral, psychological, and physical development goals for the youth of the Church.
It would be fine if it ended there, but there’s clear evidence over the years that the Church’s influence over the program (followed by other religions) has changed Scouting to mean something a little different.
In essence, it has prevented the Boys Scouts of America to progress its core values along with the rest of the world.

It is a known fact that the BSA does not allow gays and avowed atheists membership into its program and in many cases has called for the expulsion of leaders and revocation of membership due to this discrimination, which has led to many court cases all the way to the Supreme Court, most of which fall in favor of the scouts on the basis of freedom of association in the Constitution.
To make matters worse, the LDS Church has stated in the past that it will withdraw from the Scouting program if forced to accept openly gay Scout leaders.

Unlike its foreign counterparts, like Canada and most of Europe, the BSA has stood strongly against changing its policies against homosexuals and atheists to, I’m sure, the heartbreak and anguish of many of its prominent leaders and members.
In countries where homosexuality is legal, other scouting programs have sprung to allow homosexuals to take leadership roles and have been equally associated into the World Organization of the Scout Movement (WSOM).
However, efforts by other groups to start such organizations in the US have been consistently squashed by the BSA’s granted injunction barring the use of the terms “Boy Scout”, “Scout”, “Scouting”, etc.

According to their bylaws, “no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God.”
Since all members must recognize an obligation to God, that’s equivalent to saying that no NON-member can grow into the best kind of citizen.
That’s as ludicrous and unfounded as saying one can’t be good without religion.lds_scouts

Now, I don’t want to make this into a bigger issue than what it really is. They are a private organization to which no one is required to join, so they’re free to stipulate whatever standards they choose.
The Boy Scouts do plenty of good by their involvement in community services, fund raising, and educating our youth to be responsible and self-reliant citizens (and most importantly, keeping them busy and out of trouble).

But I hope the Boy Scouts of America can move forward and away from its religious-based dependence and adopt more universal and ethical standards of membership.
What if the BSA didn’t allow physically handicapped individuals into their program?
What about blacks or Hispanics?
The Equal Opportunity Policy of The Scout Association in the United Kingdom is an example of the direction towards which this side of the lake should be aiming:

“To enable young people to grow into independent adults the Scout Method encourages young people to question what they have been taught. Scouts and Venture Scouts who question God’s existence, their own spirituality or the structures and beliefs of any or all religions are simply searching for spiritual understanding. This notion of a search for enlightenment is compatible with belief in most of the world’s faiths. It is unacceptable to refuse Membership, or question a young person’s suitability to continue to participate fully in a Section, if they express doubts about the meaning of the Promise.”

It’s time we recognize we’re passing our prejudices and insecurities to our children and encourage our LDS Scouts to become Boy Scouts of America.

What do Mormons believe? A look at Fast and Testimony Meetings

mormon_testimonyIf you’ve ever been curious to find out what Mormons really believe, you should try attending (at your own peril) the first hour of an LDS service during the first Sunday of most months.

Unlike the other Sundays of the month, the first Sunday of the month is reserved for members of the Church to stand up in front of the congregation and share their testimony. Members are also encouraged to fast for the day in order to gain spiritual knowledge and insight and become more humble (whatever that’s supposed to mean), thus the name Fast and Testimony meeting.

It was during this hour of almost every month I spent going to church that I felt most uncomfortable.

A typical testimony may vary in topic, from an account of someone’s struggle with their kids, a humorous anecdote about the latest LDS Scout camp-out, a word of gratitude towards the deacons/YW’s/Elders’ Quorum/etc for helping with this year’s Youth Conference, and maybe a sob-filled, dragged out history of someone’s fight with a mysterious “trial” in their lives. But no Testimony Meeting is complete without the required mass-hypnotic mantra; one of these might suffice:

I know this Church is true.
I know the Book of Mormon is true.
I know Joseph Smith was a true prophet.
I know Heavenly Father lives.
I know Jesus lives/is my brother/died for my sins.

Or any other variation one might attempt in order to sound fresh and unique, but most importantly, sincere.

The interesting thing to me, however, is the consistent use of the words “I know” in these testimonies. When you ask a member of the church what they believe, they might tell you about eternal marriage, or how we had an existence prior to this life, or maybe even about how you can one day become a god yourself, but when they tell each other these things on that one Sunday, their belief magically turns into knowledge.

There is no doubt in their speech. There is no probability. There is only certainty.
They KNOW the Book of Mormon is the true word of God on the same level as they KNOW it is day or night at that very moment.

This absurd and disingenuous meeting is one of the greatest tools the Church uses to convert and reconvert. It is an emotionally charged experience which brings people to share the most intimate aspects of their lives in a vulnerable setting. You are being watched and judged and you want to come out of this polished and with sympathy.

It all seems very nice and tender and it’s very hard to not sympathize with the hope and comfort one might receive from such a gathering, but the true spirit of the whole thing is not defined until children as young as 3 or 4 take the walk up to the pulpit and, with the help of the leadership to push the stool and lower the microphone, repeat the same senseless babble talk they’ve been rigorously instructed to say by their parents.what_do_mormons_believe

It will bring down the house, so to speak, but behind the innocent and shaky voice of that child lies the main issue with dogma: indoctrination.

Nothing bothered me more in my stay with the Church than to watch those kids say those things for which they had not the faintest idea what it all meant.
They receive praise for their courage to walk and stand up there, and comments about their sweet spirit are almost inevitable, but the fact they are being taught to lie is nothing short of despicable.
Mormons might certainly think this is an exaggeration, but instead of the common beliefs children are taught to say, let’s do an experiment and encourage them to state their opinion on gay marriage instead, in front of the congregation.

A 5-year-old undoubtedly has no coherent opinion on such a complicated topic, but we can certainly infer the Church’s view on the matter and equally “teach” the child to agree and repeat “I know homosexual behavior is a sin and I am against gay marriage.” I would challenge anyone to do that, but I don’t support child abuse.

The leaders of the Church will tell you that no member is required to bear their testimony. In fact, if I remember correctly, one of the Ten Commandments explicit prohibits one from bearing “false witness against your neighbour.”
But I submit to you that that is exactly what they do on that Sunday of fasting.

It is understood that bearing your testimony is the duty of every member, but especially those with children, so the time always comes where you have to stand up, wash, rinse, and repeat.

When pressed for answers the faithful doesn’t KNOW anything and has to always fall back on the simple fact that they can only BELIEVE. Yet, Mormons take every opportunity to state their “knowledge”, lest it be forgotten and shaken by reason and inquiry.

Anti Mormon Book: The Berenstain Bears and the Double Dare

Historian Fawn Brodie might make a good case against Joseph Smith by exposing his shady past in No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith and the Ostlings may as well describe the Church’s empire for what it truly is, while also peeking into various open sores in its history, doctrine, and governance in Mormon America – The Power and the Promise (arguably one of the best and most balanced pieces of literature on the LDS Church by non-Mormons), but neither book can summarize so precisely and in so few pages the kind of mindset required to send any Mormon running from the Temple as The Berenstain Bears and the Double Dare.

berenstainIf you’re not familiar with the Berenstain Bears books and you have children, you’re a bad parent. Ok, maybe not, but you could improve your approval rating (a la Calvin and Hobbes) by picking one up at your local library on your next visit. The Berenstains (the authors) have an amazing ability to communicate to children some of life’s most universal experiences and problems in a very entertaining way.

In this book, The Double Dare, Brother Bear is pressured by Too-Tall and his gang to steal a watermelon from Farmer Ben’s patch. Brother Bear is reluctant to follow their lead, but the gang is quick to apply the ultimate force and start calling him “chicken” and clucking at him. In a very McFlyish manner, Brother Bear succumbs to the gang’s pressure and proceeds to try to steal the watermelon but is then caught red-handed by Farmer Ben.

After this incident, the Berenstains beautifully write what could arguably be one of the biggest lessons in a child’s life, all in about 3 pages, which I will quote here:

“‘Well’, said Ben as they walked through his chicken yard, ‘chickens aren’t very bright. But they’re too smart to do something stupid just because somebody calls them chicken.’
‘I guess so,’ admitted Brother.

Just ahead was the meadow where Ben’s sheep were grazing. One of them – a large ram – took it into his head to start running. And run he did – straight for the highway!
‘Your sheep are headed for the highway, Ben!’ cried Brother.
‘Don’t worry,’ said Ben. ‘Shep, my old sheepdog, will take care of ‘em.’ Shep raced ahead and cut the sheep off before they got there.

‘Sheep are like that,’ said Ben. ‘Follow a leader anywhere – off a cliff, if that’s what the leader decides. And some folks are like that too. Follow a leader wherever he goes – across a highway, over a cliff… to the edge of my watermelon patch.’ He looked at Brother, and Brother knew exactly what he was talking about.”
(They go on to share the watermelon and Brother ends up facing the gang again, but you’ll have to read the book for the exciting ending).

The Mormons love the word SHEEP!!! In fact, the scriptures are filled with references to the word and Jesus himself is referred to as “the good Shepperd” and his followers as “the flock” or sheep.
The concept of following someone blindly is Christianity’s big ticket item. Understandably so, since it would be hard to control and use people who can think for themselves and who can decide what is right or wrong outside of dogma.

However, no sane parent would teach their children to follow anyone blindly outside of religion, in all aspects of their lives, be it at school, work, or any organization. The ability to think on our feet and make logical, rational decisions is one of the most important tools available to help us successfully navigate through life.

The Berenstains have written many books dealing with many common moral dilemmas in a simple, direct, and fun way. Their only book (to date) that directly deals with religion, The Berenstain Bears and the Big Question (which is argued to be faith-promoting, but I think it’s just going over most Christians’ heads), summarizes nicely this post in a short dialogue between Sister Bear and Papa Bear.

When walking home, Sister asks Papa “Did God make questions?” to which Papa answers “Yes, Sister, mostly questions.”

Living With Mormons joins the Atheist Blogroll

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Mormon Funeral: good times and Funeral Potatoes, but not my cup of tea

When my good friend of 17 years died suddenly in a tragic car accident, I prepared to go through my first Mormon funeral.

Mormon funerals, unlike Mormons weddings, are open to anyone, whether the person is a member of the Church or not. This makes complete sense since it’s the Church’s last chance to presume the person’s level of belief and faith and use it in order to preach to those present.

I was asked by my friend’s wife to write what’s called a “Life Sketch;” the equivalent of an eulogy in other religions, which I was honored to do. I tried to focus on his character, his accomplishments, his relationship with his friends, with his children, and with his wife. I also talked about fun and funny moments in his life, his childhood (with the help from his mother), and his goals and dreams.

I was proud of the work I had done and figured he would have been proud as well.

Aside from my talk and his wife singing one of their songs, the rest was pretty much a Sunday sermon, full of references to eternal living promises, marriage covenants, and dishonest judgments on how he would certainly be in the presence of the Lord (despite the fact that he was going through one of the biggest turmoils of his life prior to his death).

I felt the focus quickly shift from his life to his life in the Church. There were so many people there. He was the kind of person who just knew everybody everywhere. Not one of them spoke. I have no doubt that there were hundreds of stories that could have been shared that day, but the day was spent glorifying a “loving God” who (allegedly) prematurely left 3 children under the age of 10 fatherless and a young wife widowed by her second attempt at wedlock, not to mention hundreds of friends and next of kin missing the presence of such a lovely person.

To be fair, I’ve attended my share of Catholic funerals and I’ll take Mormon Funeral Potatoes any day over the monotony and morbidness of the clergy’s attempt to kill the deceased once again (along with all those present) with long sermons and depressing talks of repentance and Resurrection, not to mention the required black attire.

Common sense and freedom of religion, however, tells us that a funeral, or whatever name it may have, should consist of the gathering of the deceased’s loved ones, friends and family, with the sole purpose to remember and reminisce in the life of the dead person (uh…while he/she was alive, of course).

If it had been up to me, my friend’s funeral would have been held at his favorite Brazilian restaurant. His body need not be present, but his soul, so to speak, would have been made to come alive in song, pictures, videos, and stories shared by those whom were touched in some way by his life.

mormon_funeral_potatoesA person’s religious convictions are but one of the many aspects of their character and the least upon which we need to focus after their death. I find it nearly disrespectful to hand this final dedication over to someone who, in most cases, knew little to nothing of the person outside the chapel.

Case in point, it seems that someone always brings Funeral Potatoes to a Mormon funeral. My friend hated Funeral Potatoes.

Leaving Mormonism: No Marriage nor Children Left Behind

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Let’s begin by saying that leaving the LDS Church can mean a number of things to many different people.

Whether you are a convert or born and brainwashed in the Church from childhood will dictate how you view your loss of commitment to the fold and how you will handle the issues that WILL arise from the many relationships in your life.

My situation was such: I was the only convert in my family and my wife was baptized many years after I was. Our religious views have almost always been different in the past, so not much has changed for us as far as respecting each other’s choices.

However, when it comes to our children, things get a little tougher.
Recent apostates might still find the many teachings of the Church very beneficial and complimentary to the upbringing of their little ones, while others, like myself, will find that morals should be taught outside of dogmatic commitments and children can definitely do without the psychological damage associated with unrealistic “moral” expectations.

Either way, however you decide to handle your children’s involvement in the Church, one must first and foremost respect his/her spouse’s different views and try to reach a reasonable compromise.  A friend once told me that criticizing one’s religion is the equivalent of telling them their kids are ugly, so patience and respect towards your spouse is key here.

When I decided to see the Church for what it really is (a fraud), I felt cheated and frustrated that my wife couldn’t see all the issues that surround the LDS faith.  While I no longer could handle the cognitive dissonance associated with trying to consolidate my questions with the lack of good answers from Church scholars and apologists, my wife sat comfortably during Sacrament meeting and looked forward to teaching her Young Women about whatever it is they learn in the girls’ classes.

My initial reaction to my new views led me to adamantly prevent my children from attending (any) church until they were reasonably capable to rationalize those things that would be hammered into their heads Sunday in, Sunday out for 3 hours at a time.
Of course, my wife was concerned that if the kids didn’t go to church now, they would probably never want to go later (I couldn’t agree and hope for more).

It is hard to deny that atheism (lack of belief) is the position one must take in order to have a neutral, unbiased view towards religion, but it is nearly impossible to convince the faithful of that simple fact.  I didn’t want my children to not attend church because I didn’t want them to believe, but because I wanted THEM to make the decision to believe or not believe at a time in their life in which they will be personally responsible for that decision.

You know you have reached a compromise when both parties are equally unhappy, so we’re still working on it, but the kids are currently going to church every other weekend.  We have also agreed that the children are not to be labeled (they know they’re not “Mormons” or anything else until they decide to call themselves that) by us or anyone.
I attend various Church activities when possible (outside of the Sunday torture) and mom occasionally skips a Sunday to spend the day with us.

I am lucky to have a very rational, reasonable, and liberal wife who doesn’t automatically buys into the blanket views imposed by her religion on society, so I can say we, most importantly, agree on how to raise the children independently of our religious views.

Morality independent of religion ensures our children will make good choices in all stages of their lives, regardless of which building they are heading into on Weekends to pray.

Mormon welfare doing well in recession

A recent post in the holy Newsroom praises the LDS Church’s welfare system as a “fine-tuned program (that) has been in operation for decades and is run almost entirely by volunteer labor.”

Even the SFGate points out the system’s ability to provide for those in need in the current economy, members and non-members alike.

Mormons are generally taught to take care of themselves by saving for a rainy day (e.g. food storage) or benefiting from their own resources (e.g. gardening, sewing), but as most Bible born religions, Mormons are particularly (and non-admittedly) misogynous people.
As highlighted a few years ago by Relief Society Dictator Julie Beck, the place of the Mormon wife is at home “cooking, washing clothes and dishes.”

This 1950′s mentality would lead me to believe that Mormon families would be more inclined to seek assistance from its welfare program before sending the wife out into 2009 and get a job to help the family.
Beck has sent a strong message to LDS women all over the world that you all have a very narrow, specific role in a marriage relationship: housekeeper.

The problem here is not really what Beck said, as we know, since her comments generated an uproar from male and female members alike. The real issue is the same when dealing with any doctrinal “announcement” Church leaders make, which is how to respond to such comments.
It’s obvious that Beck’s comments don’t encompass the view of all Church leaders, but has she been properly addressed for her speech?
Can a member file a complaint to have Beck removed from her position in the Presidency of Relief Society?
A society that highlights the importance of women in the LDS church, while at the same time reminding us that the Priesthood also has its owners and women are not allowed.

The problem with the place of women within the Church is a known and old one. It was best described in a study done by Dr. Kent Ponder on Mormon women and depression.
Utah residents lead the nation in antidepressant drug use (and porn too, by the way) and Dr. Kent, who is a life-long member, points out that “women suffer twice as much depression as men” and that this problem “is clearly, closely and definitely linked to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.”

It’s time LDS women step up to the plate and speak out against the obvious misogyny that influences their Sunday lectures by their most prominent leaders.

Our economy requires that all members of society do their part in providing in any way they can to help the family, without any limitations from dogmatic old hags.

Otherwise, head on down to your local Deseret Industries because the Temple Burqas are 50% off today.

Big Love has no love for LDS

ldstempleOutrageous!
The Church is, once again, being disrespected on national television by HBO’s Big Love, a sitcom that is supposed to depict the life of a polygamist family, however distinctively drawing the line between polygamy and the Church.

But Big Love has indeed lost all respect for the Church by displaying what are claimed to be sacred temple marriage ceremonies on live tv. Nothing will get church members’ feathers more ruffled than outsiders meddling in secret…uh… sacred temple business.
Especially when such criticism only brings back painful memories of their ugly past dealing with polygamy since its invention by Mr. Smith. HBO should be sensitive to this fact and respect their right to hide their past and slowly make it so it never happened, like most ridiculous doctrines the Church has introduced in the past.

I, too, like other members, respect others’ right to privacy. The LDS Church has every right to throw the first stone in this case. Unless, of course, we look back a few months around election time, in the state of California, at which time the Church “donated” millions of dollars to dictate whom a person should love, which is one of our basic human rights. The difference here, however, is that HBO is using free speech to criticize a practice while the other is actively infringing on people’s human rights.

The LDS Church has officially stated that “as an institution (it) does not call for boycotts…” and “Latter-day Saints should conduct themselves with dignity and thoughtfulness…”

To which LDS members replied ‘fuck that! We’re fucking canceling if they don’t stop this bullshit.”